The comments surrounding the UN vote on Palestinian statehood reflect a polarized sentiment. While many express strong support for the resolution and gratitude towards nations backing it, others voice deep skepticism about the UN's effectiveness and the likelihood of meaningful change stemming from the vote. Overall, there's an emerging dichotomy between hope for future recognition of Palestinian rights and frustration over historical failures in addressing the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

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Why did Central African countries abstain?

sabnastuh

Super-Ad-2285

Non binding. They’re basically scrapbooking. 

gettheboom

Dear_Specialist_6006

I can understand Israel and the United States, but why did Hungary, Argentina and Papua New Guinea oppose it?

Cultural-Ad-8796

nothing_in_dimona

Throwawayhair66392

Who's going to enforce it though? Which countries are sending their troops/money to get rid of hamas and feed the people of gaza? Or is it all political theatre?

DizzyDalek

Germany will only accept a "Palestinian state" if Palestinians will accept the two state solution.
As of now Palestinians always rejected that, so in the definition of Germany, there is no Palestinian state and no real willingness to "establish" a Palestinian state either.
This map seems like extreme cherry picking to me.
Every country that is in favor of the two state solution OR acknowledge Palestine is marked in the same category.

Relevant-Yam-3827

bahhaar-blts

Any Palestinian state? Which of the million proposed solution is this voting on?

Gold_Telephone_7192

So what will that actually do in practise? states aren't founded by UN decision you know

Fummy

will_kill_kshitij

deep_dark_winter

Hungary recognizes Palestine but voted no

fredleung412612

shyguyshow

theseaoftea

tamadeangmo

Alfalfa_Informal

And who’s going to lead them? Hamas again?

aljerv

Both Palestine and Israel blow up innocent people theres no moral high ground, Wish they could endlessly kill in another dimension

Brief-Camera7321

Notice how most countries voted to establish, then there is the U.S.

Cortex_Gaming

it's kinda wild how much power politics play in shaping our world map, right? I mean, one UN resolution and BOOM, history's re-written.

SmoochItUp

The least that the Westerners and Europeans could do is to stop sending money and weapons to Israel while cutting ties with them which is basically the bare minimum that can be done.

But they don't and yet they demand that we do the same with their enemies.

Many told me I am a horrible man for not wanting to take sides in the Russian invasion of Ukraine and even saying that we shouldn't cut trade ties with Russia if it benefits us.

Those whorefuckers want us to do what they will never do and they can just smash their heads at the wall.

AccomplishedCraft187

Is this same UN that was supposed to keep the peace in southern Lebanon?

Semi_Accomplished

Passing by vote is the easy part.  Executing it to reality is not going to be easy to say the least.

And which country is willing to lead that will lay the foundation and recovery?

macross1984

Wow it's like I have reading the same headline for the last 20 years

Cubey42

and who exactly is going to enforce it? and will they get rid of the literal terrorist orgs operating there? will people condemn them when they happen to kill a civilian when fighting these terrorists? I'm all for a 2 state solution, but first the terrorists in palestine need to be removed from the equation. it needs to be based on two governing bodies that neither side is seeking the complete destruction of the other, otherwise we'll just be right back here after one side attacks the other if not. 

the sad fact is palestine needs an occupation similar to germany or japan post ww2 to remove the deep rooted radicalization that has happened to a decent chunk of the populace, after which peace in the region could become a possibility, israel has decent relations with jordan after all, they just don't seek the complete destruction of their state (at least, anymore). the problem is who do you get to do the occupation? israel is a bad choice for obvious reasons, and no one else seems interested.

faffc260

CBL44

Realistically, a three state solution is needed as Gaza and the West Bank can never function as a singular state with Israel (and lots and lots of barriers and land mines ) in-between

Gaza needs to be it's own nation or annexed by Israel/Egypt. Having it be the same country as the West Bank means a Palestine state could never hope to have enough stability to function. It's in many ways worse than East Pakistan and West Pakistan (Bangladesh).

TheNinjaDC

Perhaps I'm mistaken, but hasn't the UN voted on Palestinian statehood in the past that usually passes in the General Assembly?  What makes this one different?

There are multiple problems that I see with the resolution.  

1. It declares that the Palestinian Authority will be the governing authority.  However, the PA is immensely unpopular in Gaza AND in the West Bank.  The PA refuses to hold elections because they will lose.  How does the UN intend for the PA to lead?
2. Is Hamas willing to remove itself from power and turn over their weapons?  What if the people prefer Hamas of PA (which polls overwhelming show that they do)?
3. Israel clearly has no intention of a Palestinian state.  Are other countries willing to go to war with Israel to force them out of Gaza and force the illegal settlers out of the West Bank?  Given the US staunch defense of Israel, are they willing to risk conflict with the US (especially under the Trump admin which wholly supports forcing Palestinians out of Gaza)?

I feel like this is a Michael Scott situation of "We Declare Peace".  

Personally, I would prefer if the Arab League got far more heavily involved in Gaza and the West Bank.  They all closed borders to Palestine years ago and don't want Palestinians in their countries, but are highly critical of Israel.  I would like the Arab league to put their money where their mouth is.  Open their borders, offer support, and establish a deal with Israel where Israeli troops pull out and are replaced with Arab League troops on the border.

Amoral_Abe

I hear the Seattle teacher's union also voted to back a two state solution. No one cares about that either.

bpg2001bpg

Too bad neither the Israelis nor Palestinians support the idea.

Rappongi27

The same UN who have terrorist in their own roof?

Nabanako111

As it should, but doubt anything will come off of it.

DareDweller

rWallstreetbets votes overwhelmingly to back green candles solution to depot slump issue

Similar effectiveness

ganbaro

I think a better option would be for the UN to declare all Palestinians as Israeli citizens the moment their land is annexed and declare all Israeli passports invalid until these new citizens are granted equal rights.

Plenty of people are going to slag me about this proposal from both sides and I don't care. I have been watching this nightmare my entire life and it is quite obvious to me that neither side has any intention of ever solving this through violence or negotiation. 

One of the most revealing conversations I ever had was with a group of people exploring conflict resolution through the first step of accepting that the other sides opinions are valid and I was expressing my opinion about Israel and the Palestinians and this big fat guy said "Your facts are all wrong" and I said "There wasn't a single thing I said that was a fact, it was all just opinion and people like you on both sides who conflate opinion with fact in order to impose your will without regard to what anyone else believes is the biggest reason there will never be a resolution between Israel and the Palestinians."

mytyan

And the UN’s Hamas-removal plan for that Hamas-free government is…?

RoyU16

&gt;In the context of the end of the war in Gaza, Hamas must cease exercising its authority over the Gaza Strip and hand over its weapons to the Palestinian Authority, with the support and cooperation of the international community, in accordance with the objective of a sovereign and independent State of Palestine.”

Even though the PA isn't well liked, many consider them to be corrupt.  Hamas won the last election just from running an anticorruption campaign. 

&gt;It also mentions the deployment of a “temporary international stabilisation mission” under a mandate from the UN security council to protect the population, support the strengthening of the capacities of the Palestinian state and provide “security guarantees to Palestine and Israel”.

By temporary,  I'm assuming they mean perpetual. It's going to be at least 20 to 40 years before Isreal,  or the palastinians aren't angry at each other.  And only after the incitement is removed from one side's text books. 

&gt;Hamas has said that it will not agree to disarm unless a sovereign Palestinian state is established.

For shame on the Guardian for posting this misinformation.  Hamas isn't willing to put down weapons until there is only a 1 state solution that is Arab only.

Edit:  fixed a word

dce42

We already know the vetting process of the UN: If they're not wearing a uniform they are civilians. See? No uniforms, no Hamas. Carry on

sal139

The UN is full of hypocrisy and stupidity: the UN voted for two state solution in 48, the Arab countries around Israel attacked in response, hence starting the independence war. What use to their votes when the Hamas wants a one state solution with all the Israelis dead or expelled. 

weedow

Oh, neat, so what they want to do is put hamasniks in UN uniforms, so when their positions are struck the UN can try to blame Israel further. Just like Lebanon.

Netherese_Nomad

Great job Guys, now hand over the reigns to the guys with the inside out shirts with ƧAMAH print

Iamhummus

Are UN organizations going to stop directly aiding Hamas too?

Taxibl

it's really starting to feel like they're a group of toddlers around the kid's table "making dinner" and all the adults in the room are just nodding their head while getting take out

skelta_x3

&gt;Compromise plan sees Arab states condemning 7 October attacks in return for clear UN support for a Palestinian state

It's outrageous that they're refusing to condemn Oct. 7 unless they get something in return.  Nobody should have to be paid to condemn the worst attack against Jews since the Holocaust.  Absolutely infuriating.  It shows how bigoted these leaders are.  They're using the victims of Oct. 7 as bargaining chips.

Maaster_Mind

They could back a unicorn run utopia, it's just as viable. 

PeksyTiger

Probably the most notable part of this article: 

“It includes some of the **sharpest criticism of Hamas ever endorsed by the UN**. The text states: “We condemn the attacks perpetrated on 7 October by Hamas against civilians,” and “Hamas must release all hostages” held in Gaza.”

 So by the Guardian’s own account (and the guardian is anti Israel), 2 of the sharpest pieces of criticism EVER endorsed by the UN against Hamas are:

1. They should not have invaded Israel to target *civilians*

2. They should release all hostages. 

It difficult to conceive of softer criticism.

ClassicAreas444

That’s ideal of course, but it will never happen. Palastine is Hamas and Hamas is Palastine, for the majority of the population there. How does one go about getting rid of Hamas?

excaligirltoo

I feel like Lady Gaga at the end of the "Not gay in a 3 way" video every time the UN is mentioned these days

"You guys are still here?"

twec21

Why would the PA be placed in charge?  They aren't in charge now, they failed before.  Israel should be in charge, reshape the landscape and make it an actual peaceful place to live.

zer0sumgames

If Hamas was democratically voted in, wouldn’t Palestinians reject this, if not now, eventually in the future? Forcing a new government onto people hasn’t worked out great in the past.

LifeOfHi

I mean, that's a good step forward, but the PA are dictatorial, and hated by west bank palestinians.


A technocratic arabic government would be far better for gaza. 

Effective_Jury4363

Ok, cool, I have no objection to this. Is there a plan to remove hamas, or are we waiting for Israel to do that by continuing the current method and making no changes?

OnionSquared

Ichhikaa

**Best policy is to let the winners of the war decide, like how it has happened for thousands of years.**

Creating stalemates like what UN does causes forever suffering of generations. Almost all countries that currently exist were formed like this, with one huge suffering at the start, and then the country becoming stable from then on.

So, trying to prevent violence by interfering has provably caused exponentially more violence than what would have otherwise happened.

I am not just saying about this one situation. But it should be the rule everywhere. Look at the India-Pakistan or South-North Korea situation. IF they had fought and ended it at that time, we would have stability there. But UN intervention caused generational suffering for all sides, and unnecessary militarization, with almost all involved countries even making nuclear weapons.

The intervention just causes a pause for both sides to militarize heavily, often spending majority of their time, money and effort to militarize. Then when the war eventually happens, it causes far higher destruction. So much military power also lead to formation of dictatorships, or military coups.

Reparm

Rossum81

The current state of the planet is gonna end 1 of 2 ways. The UN is rendered completely obsolete(maybe even dissolved) losing what relevance they have left. Or they become a strong, unbiased international organization with the power to enforce their decisions and the ability to bring wanton aggressors to heel with the combined force of member nations. Either they fade away or become a sort of government for the entire planet. No in betweening anymore.

ZmentAdverti

Agree! Palestine should be free of both Hamas and Israel!!

tylercuddletail

Who is this new government going to govern? There won't be anyone left before long

Tragiccurrant

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In case anyone is wondering, half of the "against" votes are simply purchased by Israel. They make "investments" or give scholarships in the world's smallest countries, in order to get cheap, symbolic votes in the UN. This is not a conspiracy or something, much of it is publicly documented.

xray-pishi

I prefer one Palestinian state. You know, the one that's not an ethnostate.

CrunchythePooh

Never have the power dynamics been more evident. The entire world against the US, and it's still not enough. 

OdielSax

It’s a daily shame to be American. Shame on this nation, and its unlimited greed

GraciousPeacock

A pantomime and distraction from the fact that in a few days time on sept 15th Israel’s deadline for adhering to additional measures to prevent genocide in Gaza EXPIRES. If Israel are found to have flouted the ruling the UN can override any US veto and must put boots on the ground in Gaza. 

To AVOID any of the above happening EU countries have now decided to about face to avoid genocide complicity accusations with a token gesture of a South African bantustan style ‘state’ for Palestinians that probably won’t even happen anyway 

It should be noted the US voted no despite crying crocodile tears about how its ’high time’ for Palestinians to have a state of their own………

The West is so morally bankrupt it would be almost comical if it wasn’t so horrific……

cherrybleu

Paraguay, Albania, and South Sudan are surprising.

pgtl_10

The only peace can be to give Palestine back to the Palestinians; give them resources to rebuild and repair; compensate them at least as much as Germany had to compensate the victims of their ww2 genocide; and bring every war criminal, every Israeli and Zionist who has committed an act of evil to trial

egru-no

Argentina: why don’t you just donate some land for Israel? They want it so bad and you love them so much..

mgs112112

It's almost like the U.S and Israel are cut from the same cloth 🤔

OmnesEodemCogimur

Boycott the opposition pressure the adstained. This can not go on!

Herobrine_King

The oceanic countries are hella pro-Israeli wtf

P45htun

Czechia abstaining, not suprising, just hlad we didnt vote no, there was a march for Gazan kids just a week ago in Prague, want to believe we can come around on this but our government is in full election mode rn.

PrimSchooler

https://x.com/doamuslims/status/1966541305946751367?s=19
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/un-overwhelmingly-endorses-two-state-solution-declaration-that-condemns-hamas-2025-09-12/

DescriptionNo1346

So that's "ancap" Mileil, not-at-all-Nazi Orban, corrupt-as-fuck Santiago Peña and a handful of vassal states

mrjohnnymac18

For once I'm proud of my country (Slovakia)

TheSimon1

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AutisticWhirlpoop

I'm glad India voted for the solution, even though it's a 0.2% win in the right direction...

HyperSalamander

Pretty consistent vote for over half a centuy.

ENORMOUS_HORSECOCK

UN needs a change in how things are deliberated, vetoed power needs to be removed (maybe stays only nuclear matter deliberation). UN is mostly irrelevant because of vetoe, it really doesn't reflect the nation will.

xone_br33

How the two state solution has been rejected 5 times in the past by Palestinians:  

[https://lawandsocietymagazine.com/how-palestine-rejected-offer-to-have-its-own-state-5-times-in-the-past/](https://lawandsocietymagazine.com/how-palestine-rejected-offer-to-have-its-own-state-5-times-in-the-past/)

Would they accept it now?

j2nh

How about an Israel free Palestinian state — that seems to be the cause of all problems.

alt-right-del

They oughta change the name to U.N = Useless Nations, All this rules based international order crap has thankfully been bought to an end,

f4r51

India voted in favor of a UN General Assembly resolution endorsing the 'New York Declaration' which supports Palestinian statehood and calls for international action to resolve the ongoing conflict between Israel and Palestine.

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